Mad yuri, give me a few months or so..I'll have a linux version up and running of a 3ds max / rhino app. the nurbs modelling is simple..go to surceforge, they only have three or four hundred nurbs modelling packages available..free. continually upgraded to, open source gets a lot of improvements in a very short time. Jody, linux wouldn't find and use the soundcard on my laptopn either, it is laptop architecture that screws it over. mandrake 8 what? I'm currently running 8.2 and even 8.1 finds the sound card on the tower system 8.2 wouldn't find it on the laptop either. the majority are using desktops or towers, linux works fantastic on them. it only lacking support for laptops, which isn't suprising, since unix is a mainframe os, rather than a pc os. takes time to develope the apps to operate different architecture, as you should know, being an experienced computer person. an M$ screwed themselves when they stole the gui from Apple to make win95. I saw the Mac interface in 82, when Mac first came out, and win95 is obviously directly ripped from that. add that M$ can't clean up their coding if their lives depended on it, I bet if you scrolled through your windows directory on an xp machine you would still find win3.1 apps..and you better not delete them, you will crash the os. yes, emm386.exe is still a required 20 year old app for windows. as soon as I code a decent version of a poser like program win is gone from every computer around me...unless cl comes up with a linux port, I'll start selling the linux app for 30.00 if coded right, work even better than cl poser5, so might get people to make the switch to linux and not use cl product. I'll put the beta on sourceforge, or a similiar site....ooh, lest we forget, that would also mean that Stormrage is using the app I coded, when it's ready.