I was just at the bookstore, and the May 2002 issue of PCPlus magazine, another British magazine, has Poser 3 on the cover CD. (Their website is PCPLUS.CO.UK). Where I live (Chicago), they have it at Barnes and Noble stores. Once you have that version of Poser 3, Curious Labs will give you a discount of something like a hundred dollars off the price of Poser 4. Hope this helps.... Lynn Grant Castle Development Group