Iky, do you see the bruise on your forehead from walking straight into that one? I shall not add further to the bruise, I'll give you at least a moment's peace. Yes, Sewer, please finish the figure! Hopefully he will retain the raptor's features, meaning a face that is more like the raptor's than Human. The snout doesn't have to be as long as in the raptor, but should still look like the raptor's head. I can see in my head what it should look like but not a clue how to make such a creature. Mormon has an eagle, found it in his directory, however it's joint parameters need serious help, there are parts of the eagle that at the moment cannot be moved, like the beak doesn't open and close. And I could not get a satisfactory texture map out of it from UV Mapper. I sent the eagle on to DAD to look at since the readme file asked for help on the joints. DAD said it needed serious work but he has so many other projects. Since the author is looking for help as stated in the readme, I don't see why I can't send it out to anyone who wants to try to fix it up for all of us to use. I like Zygote's eagle but don't have that kind of loose cash right now to get it (or the Dragon). E-mail me at drmspinner@earthlink.net. I believe I still have it in it's original zip file. A gryphon would be a wonderful creature to have. Need more mythological creatures!