OH, thanks for the tip. I tend to blindly miss lots of stuff. I shouldn't do that since I got a nice large monitor finally... but hey I still wear biofocals! Thanks again, to everyone for being so supportive. I especially want to thank Sipapu for being willing to do some "hand holding" while I figure how to get myself together for a hopeful submission to the Fabulous Renderosity Magazine!! Yes, if I'm lucky, you'll see the first published submission I've made to a computer-related magazine in decades. (If you count local computer user groups newsletters being published!) Ron