thanks, Sharen. Sometimes I wonder if maybe I shouldn't stick to doing landscapes, seascapes, etc., and leave the more advanced modelling to others more capable than I... (aside-to audience)... and speaking of capable modellers, don't forget to check out the free downloads at SAMS3D... ...but, seriously, your comment really means something to me, coming from someone whose models I've downloaded and taken apart and tried to figure out just how they were made. Someday.....