Thanks for the input. I've bookmarked that thread, and will read later. I'm getting ready for work now, darn! I've put together this WIP of a comparison between the Casual Guy, Dork and Mike. It's kind of funny since I wanted Dork and Mike to be wearing some kind of "swim trunks," to show enough of their body and be "decent." Poor Ole Default Guy looks out of place. This is a hard scene to do. Apparently my computer is taxed, since I get a sluggish response when trying to move the camera, etc. I'll fiddle more with this tonight probably. Ron