I've seen some "photo real" stuff come out of poser, the problem is usually the texture and the face. The textures are too detailed, when your average pinup is actually airbrushed to remove detail. That and the fact that the faces, unlike a "real" face are always symetrical. The smile is perfect, not crooked. The eyebrows are perfectly level, the nose has no bumps or bends. Has anyone ever looked at Brittney Spear's nose or eyes? She's not especially pretty, she's no "supermodel" but the familiar is attractive, the more you see a face the more you grow to like it. I used to think Vicky was quite "ugly" but now I prefer her "real" face to many of the morph jobs out there. I also wouldn't call his work "bad" it's better than some I've seen, but by placing the model front and center lke that, especilly with such a bright background, it's bound to draw comment, (and criticsim) later jb