I agree wiht Poppi, it's unfair to say this is a "bad" job. I think it's great start. I do think maybe the girl should be doing something. Of course, this could be a "vacation photo." There's nothing wrong with that. MAXseer has a whole lot more to work with than I did when I started. I started with Poser 2, which was a very small improvement over Poser 1. I also had to paint faces on my people. But the folks just coming into Poser (even Poser 3) have so much to work with. This is leaps and bounds ahead of my first render, which I don't even have anymore. It was really pathetic, merely because the people in Poser 2 looked so stupid. They didn't have hair or clothes. I have to laugh at it when I look back on it. MAXseer, keep going. You're on the right track. I've been using Poser for several years and I'll still trying to achieve that "realism," too. Melanie