That example really helps, thanks. Believe it or not, it wouldn't even have occurred to me to use another program to do that! I would probably have tinkered with it forever in Poser, trying to fix it there. But I can certainly see how there are cases were a judicious blob of 2D cyber-paint would be a lot quicker and easier! I bit the bullet and ordered Vue yesterday. Realistically, unless I have a major change in my circumstances (eg, a lottery win!) I'm never going to be able to afford any of those big 'high end' programs. Vue is just about affordable even if I have to live on thin soup for the next month to pay for it! Also, after checking through the galleries, I find that Vue (or partly-Vue) pics do more for me that just about anything else. Thanks again! john