tjohn re original post: I try not to think - interferes with my negatitivity. Seriouslt though - criticing is a valid way to learn.not as valid as actually doing, but valid none the less. I try to be honest in my comments if they are negative they are to help the artist, not flame him. a rule of thumb - if you are easily offended, don't ask. Not everyone is going to like your work nomatter how good you are. Thank god this is not an elitist forum and open to everyone. Slowly I'm learning how to do things from these forums, and remember that's why we're here; to learn to do graphic arts, appreciate the various forms of art and to some degree - socialize. "...mighnotgiveyoutheanswerthatyouwantmeto..." - bikermouse wanders off humming a strange old song . . .