Thanks, guys. I have another render baking at present, and I think it might finally give me the image I want. The mirror is a cheat, because I did it in Poser before I got vue, and poser doesn't do real reflections. So it's actually just a picture pretending to be a mirror. For the water on the locker, I used a watery gel on a blue spotlight from that side. I've also set a couple of the lights as 'volumetric' and clicked the box for them to show dust/smoke in the air, hoping this would look like steam - I think it works, a little... But I have a lot to learn! I also tried using some genuine fog, but that just made everything look washed out. I think it's probably best for wide open spaces. This is fun! John