Eric i've saved this page so i can re-read it whenever i want to refresh my mind, thank you, this reminds me very much of photographic set lighting when i did some studio work years ago, some studio photographic books are absolutely packed with bits that can be used in Vue, Key Fill and Back lights are the basic lighting techniques of studios that work so well. We can learn a lot from photographic books. light is one of those things that if you get right no one realy notices, but if you get it wrong ouch it stands out a mile. thanks for your lighting tips and everything else. David