rosity is almost as fast as sourceforge for me. and sourceforge is a compiled server, not a script. yes, Renderosity could have this fast app for the site..at around 100,000.00 per year for licensing. the company that makes it sells use of server from thier office. not the ware itself. don't see that change ever happening. ~g~ btw, sourceforge shows how many page hits a project has gotten over the last week...around an average of 100,000 page views a day on the site. usually also downloading files from the server. or was it higher for the views..gotta go back and check the ad I got about mirroring thier server....