The prop. to give the impression of movement on the fully textured model, i added a dark transparent disc around it. that disc is still there, but with a glass texture (maybe i should of removed it?) thats why it looks like that (refraction and all that) BTW does anyone have a good camo texture that would work well on a Spitfire ? the one i did looks kind of naff. RaysOfLight: your pic is cool. i thought of doing one like that myself (with the window) but i had no idea of how to make it interesting. (which explains my abstract first image) you managed to do that in a way that even has a story behind it ! nice touch. this picture is not realy an entry to this comp, but as it took 1 day, 4 hours, 56 minutes and 59 seconds to render, i aint gonna waste it :o) its my S.I.D fighter i mentioned in my Viper post.