Well, if I can get it to work properly, I'll put the animated material up on the free stuff. So far I'm getting a passable result with an animated material on a sphere and a column, then I animate the two of them to make the fire and smoke rise and fall. I think if I can get the sunlight/ambient light to flicker properly I can simulate the flickering of the flames. Still experimenting, but I think I'm close now... Kate the Mad Scientist