yaa games... >:) we like games.... LOL ya i think you are right there.. someone said that you the 4x work with the 2x but you just don't get the speed above what your bus delivers, not sure if this is true or not... I know the radeon will do either. anyway... the 8500 is way cool... have played on one.... the duel monitor support is nice too, Though you only get 32 meg per monitor.

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Hexagon, Carrara, Sculptris, and recently Sketchup.