For those about to try this. Here's some ramblings - I do mean ramblings - I found out that might help. I mentioned using the square (not the box prop it will work for some things but can be a bit of a pain in the butt, and renders images different than the square.) I believe you have two options originally with Poser 4 - a reg square and a one sided square - both are already flat (so what I mean by flatening them is reducing the z from 100 to 0 - but can't remember why I did that now, not sure it made a difference -I think I was experimenting with thickness or something, or maybe it was because I resized the square using the scale setting.) I played around using different colors, trans settings, textures, bumps, and trans, etc. I normally turn shadow off on the filter (square or whatever) in the properties for the object. Also, if I am not mistaken bumps will not work unless you also use a texture with the filter - can't remember about trans for sure, but I think that is the same. Reflection maps work okay with out texture and I normally turn off the multiply through lights. With some scenes, I found the filter effect looked better when the image was render with anti-alias off. Which makes the render quicker as well as is a fast way to test render an image in general. Well, hope that helps some for any who want to experiment with this. Regards, -Rob