Maybe I read the article wrong, it starts on page 22 of issue 25 of 3D World. You should read it yourself and make up your own mind. I own the CL Avatar Lab so I'm not slamming anyone's product, as I also own just about everything Adobe has put out as well. Was just making a comment about something I read. It appears that the reason it is still in beta is "we need to come out with Macintosh support" "The other thing is the rendering. Atmosphere worlds are pretty easy to download, and on a fast machine you get a pretty good result. But we'd like to support hardware rendering better." I may have to install it and check it out. Marque