Ok, I will try that smudge thing, as for imports, imho i think anything that is a challenge should be 100% your work.. seems a little dumb to Dl some stuff, smack it down in a scene and say Look what I have created!. Plus, I want to learn how to use bryce for modeling. Anyone know how to make a metaball negative, whenever I do it doesn't effect the model... Even when I make all others positive,etc.