Yep, I think we just all kind of forgot that you have to READ once in a while...LOL, that is what I always have to tell my customers when I teach computers, sometimes you have to sit back and just read, slowly, and most of them get it.....computers are so fast and such a fury of a race we just forget, but Niles, I did the same thing, went and had to have blood drawn and took my manual along and read it....Sharen