OK, well only since people seem to learn by the pics, I'll post this one too. I'm just glad that I can help, man have people helped me along hte way, it's nice to give a little back. So, I went to everyone's favorite Italian website, animax.it, and d/l'ed this photo texture or what appears to be the top of a public picnic bench. I made a quickie bump map from the blue channel (inverted and touched up a bit). Here's the result. Is this what you are talking about Erlik? I've put the alpha channel (bump map) on a separate channel, but there's no need to do that. The bump map could just as well be on the A channel, in the second picture slot. Again, hth.