Both progs know it-- PCillin let it into my system months ago, MacAfee couldn't clean it then-- that's when I reinstalled and went with Norton. I'm sure it can now, but once burned, ya know. That was sometime in October or November cause I was buying Christmas gifts at Ebay and they got mega-infected from European buyers. That was Klez.A. Today, it's been the W32.Klez.H@mm virus and the W95.Hybris.worm that were stopped-- that's the first time I've seen that one. Emily