I am not overly concerned about the feathers at the moment because they all look too plasticey to me anyhow. I will work that in post...its a huge task but I gotta do it. lol I agree with his shoulder tho i am scared to DEATH to move it since it took me like FOREVER to get the pose with their hands somewhat good. But I know i have to...lol. That hair is probably not the hair I will use in the end...It was just something I decided to stick on his head and try out. Thanks for pointing out the chains tho, I hadn't noticed that and now of course it's bugging the heck outta me! lol Heres the latest and last for tonight. Lets all hope I get this right SOON! Mostly for sanity's sake but also because it's a gift and times running out. (technically I have a week, but at the rate I am going it'll take a month!) Thanks darkphoenix, I really appreciate the input.