unclebob, you're very welcome. Aldaron, you are quite right. I use parenting because the wire frame is so complicated to look at the parents seem to create a sense of order. It's not a big deal with simple models, but it might be if it were in a big scene. You know, after thinking about it, I just deleted a 3 paragraph rationale for parenting. I still would need the cubes to rotate around, unless there is another way to rotate objects around world center. Either way, I later unparent and delete the cubes anyway (I should add that to the tute). You're right, it would be a good and efficient way to go about this. Is there by chance a way that you know of to "copy/paste matrix" to just the origin handle? Or is it all manual entering? If I could do that, I'd be sold 100%!