I haven't bothered with the groundplane at all other than to texture it, and yes I understand what you meant kayjay97, I did that quite a few times as an utter beginner :) Cooler, I've checked the size of the groundplane, seems to be just fine in relation to the environment. BTW, I render with everything turned off (antiviral, messangers, taskmaster, etc) and am using cacheman. I wondered if the floor not rendering might be because the image is so resource intense as it is (for my poor decrepid system anyways) that that might be a factor...*sigh* not the case. I'll check again and give some of these suggestions a second try, might be something wrong with me and not Poser :p Thanks for the advice so far everyone, -Des