kupa and the gang hang out here. Actually, if I'm not mistaken, kupa said once that visiting the forums was part of his every day. (kupa = steve cooper, president) They play it very wisely by not getting involved in issues that have the members in an uproar. Ya really cant blame them. Ive seen 'em get boiled for minor things. In fact, my predecessor (debbie) boiled 'em pretty well done when they first released their update on Poser4. (how many remember that?) Kupa was very nice and even directly emailed debbie many times to smooth any ruffled feathers. Anyhow, by just watching and reading they get the feedback and avoid any unnecessary problems. BT