Hi gebe, but is that a reason to hold back with suggestions how Vue might be improved? I think all here have a good reason to use Vue d'Esprit, and it might not necessarily be its inexpensiveness. I have suggested Vue to many, many people over the past year, and quite a number of those artists have bought Vue and are happy with it. Why? Because it gives them easy to handle tools, excellent atmosphere and vegetation functions, and a more than decent raytracer. I don't see anything wrong with suggesting new features and improvements for this already excellent rendering application, especially not as many of the features presented in this thread can be, I might add, rather easily implemented, too. Nobody is asking for Vue 5 to turn into the next Lightwave or Maya. But who knows how far Vue 10 might come . . . ;) again, sorry if I appear too zealous and inpolite. It is not my goal to offend people. :=) Best wishes, -Sascha.rb