Ron if you hold down the ALT key and click on the title of the tool bar it changes to pointing down, I didn't know about it till a couple of weeks ago. Dave I just chose a pale colour and it did it on its own, when I hover the mouse over the titles they go white. here's poser4 pretending to be poser2, when you got poser running press the keys po2 to get this and then po3 to get back to normal. Another little trick I found out about not too long ago. Rob