I say the people at CL & all the sites devoted to their software have had a positive affect on my life. I mean they put in place the catalyst for the creation of a community of people who's main aim is to help & advise each other, so that makes them good people in my eyes, plus you try talking to Bill "son of satan" Gates, not a chance, try sending him an email or message it'll never get to him and if answered it'll be answered by someone who's never even seen him, leave a message for steve and he'll get back to you, might take him a while cause he's busy but he'll answer. finally I get to the end of my ramble you say, my last word is to say thank you to steve & the rest of the guys & girls at CL for poser. Rob