As a neewbie, I'll take your advice c1rcle, thing is, now I've gotten bitten by the poser bug I've been buying things right & left. I'll save the few dollars now, & buy it when I'm better at using poser, I'm still working through the poser 4 tutorial. I did play around with poser 3 as a freebie from a 3d magazine but poser 4 seems to be a whole new ball game. Conforming clothing really helps when I'm posing, even if it's only moving the arms to the sides