note to anthony- We need to spec a tougher manual cover material so that Wolf359's table leg doesn't erode a hole through to page 57. :) Seriously, the Poser 4 manual suffered from being an inherited work, written by staff that was happy to be on the project, yet bound by much of the bad copy that couldn't be replaced, and by timelines that had engineering finishing features after the manual went to print. Not optimal... The project Anthony is working on is coming together much smoother than any previous version of Poser (whoops, I said it...) has. Kupa