"Maybe we should slow it down, shut it off before the mods step in?" Uhmm...why? Is it against the Renderosity TOS to discuss Bill Gates and Steve Balmer? Is it against the TOS to point out that the proliferation of email viruses is largely the fault of Microsoft for creating such an easy OS and email system to hack? This is not a Mac vs. PC flame war. We are discussing viruses and how they are spread. To be blunt nukem, it is impossible to have an interesting conversation without straying off topic from time to time. Or would you prefer this thread to be like this: "I just got an e-mail - Klev32 type from "Tuesday" a member here. Watch your virus scanners folkes." "Yes, be careful of that" "Yes, be careful" "You're absolutely right, be careful of viruses" "It's good you posted this, I agree completely, viruses are bad" ???????????????????????????????????????????????? Nukem, in conversation, discord, disagreement and comparisons are allowed and encouraged. No one is shouting, no one is insulting anyone. Maybe this thread should move to the OT forum, but I can't see any reason to 'shut it off'. I'm just curious why you would suggest that?