I have an idea as well. I've been thinking about where E-on might be headed, and it occurred to me that there isn't much left for them to do that sets the "high end" stuff apart from Vue (I use that term rather loosely, and not with the intent to criticize Vue, which I'm thinking about buying right now). One of those things is dynamics; I'd love to be able to use Vue to render trees blowing in the wind. Another is integration with other software... just imagine what one could do if Ozone could import an entire Vue scene, including foliage with wind dynamics, right into LightWave, and then use the Ozone renderer combined with the LightWave renderer and animation tools -- which means that it would also allow the use of Messiah animations integrated right into Vue scenes. Rendertime, schmendertime... if it takes too long I'll just throw another Athlon at it. They're cheap enough nowadays :) Network rendering would make that a lot easier though! BTW -- Maxon didn't hire Cebas. They licensed a product that Cebas was already working on. It has also been released as a 3DStudioMAX plugin called FinalRender. I doubt that it would be feasible for E-on to use their renderer with their price point, but it doesn't seem to me that it would be worthwhile. Think about it -- Cebas' renderer is a general-purpose raytracer with a photon mapper. E-on's is an optimized environment engine. I challenge you to create as realistic an environment with just Cinema. It's quite possible, but you'll probably find it to be quite a bit more difficult, and when you're done, not significantly faster, if at all.