Great Steve, I finally got the link to work for your hair today. Great idea for the bangs. By the way I have some free stuff at my web site at www.angrymob.net The dedicated digital animal kingdom CD has 150 very high-quality models with great texture maps for $129, less than one dollar per model. Most need a little joint work. there is a nice explanation for doing joint parameters on pages 278 to 288 in the poser4 manual. Pack