I read a thread, recently, in the art theory forum...asking...if you don't create all that is used in your render...is it still art? most poser/bryce users feel that it is. i make most of my own stuff, anyway...so this was kind of a moot point. however, i do agree that posing, lighting, designing the overall composition IS an art form. now, this thread brings up that question once more. after all...if one creates a work of art, one should have the right to use it commercially, yes? so it would seem that those freestuff creators who deem their stuff free for download, only for non commercial renders, feel that the art created using them, as less than "art", as such. hummmm....unpleasant, that. sounds as if...were i to go to the trouble of making a render....let's say 4 or 5 of my own original charactors, textures, maybe even some of my own original clothing...and, then....i was to use this render as a poster for a club, or something...hummmm....if i happened to put in a vase, or a bar, or something i downloaded, as a background article...and, if the maker of that were to object to it being used commercially...i could get harassed???...by the maker of the free item...hey now...i think commercial exposure is good for everyone...this is just silly, and, demeaning to the folks who so gratefully DO use the free resources. Pop...Pop...Poppi!!!