Thanks ronknights. Well, yes you are right about Poser3, but here's the scoop. I actually model in Rhino 3D and render in Cinema 4D XL 7. I only got interested in Poser because some have expressed interest in my models, so I thought I would give it a try. I kind of hate to lay out the cash for Poser if this really doesn't work out and I never use the app. Basically I don't "Pose", I model. It would only be used to get the models into Poser format. There has been discussion with our teens that we might need to upgrade to get it to work correctly. Thanks