I think Poppi's vision of "free" is nice. Yes, we live in a Free Country. But do you remember the old saying "With Freedom Comes Responsibility?!" Oh, and Freedom of Religion, Speech, etc. are not related to the topic of Free Stuff at all. I do think some people have abused the hell out of the concept of Freedom. We'll save that for another time. *** FyreSpiryt, I feel your pain, and can't argue with your anger, or desire to leave Renderosity. Let me tell you "that other place" isn't always such a safe or ideal place. Hell, I get tired of spending several hours doing something for free, only to turn around and have someone kick me in the balls. That's why Renderosity is my only "real online home" now, and that is why all my Free Stuff and Tutorial links take you directly to my own site. If something goes down the toilet, I don't need to rush over to some online community and change the links. Ron