Well, I am glad that Fyre's conformer is for commercial use. because it is something that will be very useful to me, i think. ron...if my version of "free" is nice...well, i like words, and the many ways in which they can be used. if you remember, i was a huge fan of the now dismatled c&d. i don't use freestuff...for the very reasons in this thread....no, that is not entirely true...mostly, i like making my own stuff...it is satisfying. and, if someone wants to buy something of mine...what a happy surprise. my very favorite victoria texture is janelle by eowyn. i have used her in a couple of gallery posts around christmas time...but, since she is for non commercial use only...well, i found someone who had a real similar variation. i don't have the time to make my own vicki texts, anymore...but, i still need to produce. sigh...there ain't no good guy, there ain't no bad guy, there's just you and me, and we cannot agree.... ripped off from a song, of course ;*)