HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I found it, I've just spent the last couple of hours racing round the house like a maniac looking for bits of paper, then scaring the poor bl**dy cats by jumping about like a big kid cause I found it, and it was in the place I put it and looked 3 times and didn't see it, been putting everything on disks 1 is staying on my desk at all times and the other is going to my safe place, I can't believe I looked and didn't see it. Now I gotta think of something to say to the people at CL to apologise for pestering them for nothing. Thanks for all the advise and sympathy guys & girls. Rob