Give me 3 feet of naked steel, and I can "goth out" too! They might be a tad less fond of pointy things if they are prodded with a real sword? (The high medieval dress is hanging on the door behind me.) ;^) OK, if I've got this right, one tattooed rose on a butt cheek isn't going to identify a person as goth, but 5 nose rings and roses growing out of skulls and a bunch of tattooed bats fighting the dragons for real estate would probably lead "a reasonable man" to suspect that the person on the inside of that skin was goth. If there is more metal than tattoos, the wearer is likely to be part of a different subculture. From what I've seen, it doesn't look as though any way of decorating the body is too extreme. I didn't see Blade 1 or 2 (I avoid gross-out violence when possible). However, if the movie makers have picked up on this convergence of symbols, it is soon to be globally understood, if not accepted. Thank you for information and opinion on this. I've been curious for a while, but figured the goths might be as touchy as the Hell's Angels, so haven't just walked up to someone dressed all in pointy bits and asked. (Curiosity is NOT a survival trait!) Carolly