This thread reminds me of the good ol' days when I used to play adventure games on my high-powered, state of the art, 48k Sinclair Spectrum. I remember reading a PC mag where someone wrote asking for help getting out of a creepy graveyard in the game, stating that no matter what they did, they got strangled by a pair of skeletal hands. The computer mags reply was, 'Gottcha!' The company had programmed this in somehow, and it only happened in pirated versions. I think the best revenge for Poser pirates would be to give them a version that worked perfectly for, say, six months or so - then quietly deleted itself and all the works it had created. LOL... But seriously, the worst thing about pirates (apart from the obvious one of stealing other peoples' work) is that they drive (or provide the excuse for) companies to take intolerably intrusive measures - like the the excrable 'product activation' idea. That's the sole reason won't buy XP on principle, as I don't think this behaviour should be encouraged. On a similar note, I've noticed that my (totally Kosher) Poser accesses the internet every time I fire it up. Is this to check that I'm not blacklisted, or something? I wrote to ask CL about this, but they didn't reply. John