Poser 5 will be out, but we don't know quite when. You can get the ProPack now, or you can wait a bit longer for P5. Upgrading depends upon your own timetable (are you the sort who stands outside the software store at midnight? Or do you wait a couple of weeks to see what the buzz is like?) for when you need certain capabilities. I have the ProPack and really like it. Boning is a major advantage (even just learning about how a mesh is deformed when a body part is moved will help a modeler). I haven't really used its animation capabilities to the fullest (nothing like some people here who are making movies). You will find that the python scripts automate a lot of drudgework. Making a body white, removing all lights, that sort of stuff is just about a click away. Check Bushi's site, and Traveler's MorphWorld for python scripts (other people have made scripts, but those stick in memory). If the scripts will save you time and frustration (especially if you have a project with deadlines) it might be worth upgrading to ProPack now; if you aren't under deadline, you might want to wait. If they have a demo of the ProPack, you can take a look at it. I like the variety of file types it will accept as textures, and other neat things. ProPack came with some extra content, but I don't do cartoons, so the cartoon characters are not worth anything to me. Your mileage may vary, as they say. Different people will want it for different reasons. :) Carolly