:o) Yep it'll be on CD 2 and I forgot to post the movie in the animation forum sorry but I did post it to this forum heres the thread :o) http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=75343 Its in Bink only at the moment but I'll be doing QT soon and possibly MPG but if your on a PC I highly reccomend Bink 5mb to 500k with no quality loss......:o)..No release date on CD2 yet but as soon as we've finished on this end we'll post previews and give an estimated date, shouldn't be too long now :o) Steve