First of all, Hiram. I am, and always have been arrogant. But, i am fair, and honourable. You talk as if you have been here a long, long time. You first posted in February. So you give ME a break. Through this whole thread, something was nagging at my brain....nope...not feed me. Most of the folks who replied to orphea are so new that they would not remember this. i barely remembered it, because, i was getting ready for my annual vacation to the keys, and, then, moving into my new condo. today, it clicked. i remembered and did a little research on your pal orphea... here's what i came up with.... first post by to this forum by orphea on 2/25 of this year....Titled..."Newbie says 'hi'. This had a link to his gallery. 2/26...a "thank you" and...another link to his gallery. 2/27...yup...yet, ANOTHER link to his gallery. 3/3....a post saying, in essence, "I've had my first TROLL...i must have arrived". and, on this same date....the thread.... "Have I been trolled"....IMPORTANT, HERE....THIS WAS DELETED BY JEFFH. here is a link to how he was "trolled" poor baby. http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=148961&Start=1&Artist=orphea&ByArtist=Yes Now, Skiing is pretty respected around here...guess he took more offense than I did...and went to the mods. After this, good ol' orphea quit spamming the galleries for a while. Sadly, he could not resist the old temptation of quick hits. i did this research because so many r'osity newbies have read this thread. my reputation means alot to me. i have had my own business for 5 years. i try to be honourable, and fair when dealing with folks, irl, or on the web. deleting my comments in orphea's gallery was not honourable. i am going to comment and rate, yet another time. ron...just a side note....wow...you've been around here a long time. i never understood, before, why so many dislike you. but, in this thread....the light came on. oh, yeah, keep up the tutorials....you have a new audience, now. for a while, at least. and, hon...don't worry about my spelling...i have a master's degree in fine and applied art....i don't really have to spell much. Pop...Pop...Poppi!!!