big hoovie: It's Alive! Alive, I tell you! Zigster: the dolphins know more than they're telling, as do the hubahuba trees. Rayraz: on dimensions. actually 11 or more. some people are calling for 20 or more. You need to read yhe philosophy of Rene DeCarte regarding your existance (yeah same guy who came up with cartesian coordinates.) on refuting yer time philosophy.no offense, but... 1) Time does not end in infinity. At some point the energy disapates and time stops.(but what happens then? - ha ha ha) 2) Time although relative to the observer does not exist at the observer's pleasure. there is something to prevent time from becoming a loop. Inertia. re "in both cases": wrong. the gravimetric association with time is well established. ... and how does all of this relate to Bryce, Zaphred Breeblebrox or the back room?