Thip, Thank you. That is at least a reasonable setting of the problem, spoken in a calm voice. There is a tinge of sadness and concern there, and a willingness to work towards a solution, instead of this sudden flurry of hate and fear found in too many other messages. I hope it's contagious, but reasonableness isn't as much fun as name-calling, judging from the posts. ::shake head sadly:: What surprises me is that Steve Kondris posted the concerns in the FAQ at PoserPros last Tuesday... and folks waited until the weekend, when nobody would be around, to get all upset and petulant and demanding instant responses. A problem of this essential nature is too important to pressure into settlement, and if more people would spend time thinking about it, as you have done, instead of reacting like tinder in a wildfire, we'd find a safe route through this morass. DAZ must protect their intellectual property. We must have a way to contribute our own creative output in some confidence that what we are doing is not only legal but welcomed. There are so many ramifications to this, so many shifting layers, that I wouldn't want an off-the-cuff solution. I'd prefer that the points be argued and examined... they'll be less subject to change later if they are solidly reasoned now. Carolly