Chuck, nothing personal, it's just that you are new here, and a lot of things have gone down that you missed. There's a whole history that you don't know, or have only heard second-hand. The short version is that Russ and Mehndi split off from this site, and it was a messy separation. They promised great things and constantly tore at R'osity for not providing them already. They drew some of the biggest names in the community to their site, then proceeded to pull the rug out from under everyone. It's like marrying a girl who swears she's a virgin then finding out she used to be a hooker. If they hadn't been so militant about providing an alternative to the more commercial sites, it would be different. But this is like someone who constantly preaches the virtues of Macs going to work at Microsoft. I'm not saying that they didn't have the best of intentions when they started, or that they're bad people. But in light of their histories and reputations, in light of all the things they've said since they started PoserPros, this is just plain and simple hypocrisy. "Why does it seem like everyone is upset based on what effect the merger has had on them? Speak of selfishness!!!" Nope, nothing of the sort, at least in my case. Doesn't really effect me in the least, except maybe for looking foolish when I defended them against charges of doing exactly what they ended up doing. Hell, I haven't been spending much time there lately anyway. But it is sad to see someone sell out their principles and credibility like that, especially folks that I had a great deal of respect for. Not the first time I've seen it happen, probably not the last, but it never gets any easier to watch. "So, unless I am foolishly naive, just why is it that the forum and "secondary" DAZ marketplace that will ensue is a bad thing?" Nope, not bad at all. But if you think for a minute that PoserPros isn't going to change drastically, THEN you're naive. There are some things that Daz is NOT going to tolerate, PJF and Legume probably being two of them. "Let me first explain what a nobody is. A nobody is one who is not a seller. Has nothing for sale. A nobody is a person who has no freebies to give away. People without incredible art for people to ogle over are nobodies. There is a pecking order in R'City. By that, I mean if you have none of the above, then your remarks are diminished. People who have great art AND sell stuff AND offer freebies seem to have more sayso than the rest of us "nobodies". And so on. When people like SAMS3D, BH, IH, and so many others that I don't mean to impune by omitting speak, it means more." Renderosity has its faults, but that's not one of them. I've been here a long time and let me tell you, I've had my say at times. I've never felt that my words were taken any less seriously than anyone else's. Of all the things they've been guilty of here at times, never that. And if you're a nobody, so am I. Oh, I just got a product into the Marketplace last month. Woopee. That doesn't mean much, trust me, and I was here a long time before that happened anyway. No freebies, no tutorials, no gallery, just me and my big mouth roving the forums. So before you go on attacking everyone with a negative comment about this, you might want to listen a bit more to what people are actually saying. Because as I can tell you from experience, there's often more to things than you know. Hell, I flamed Entropic over there a while ago when he accused R&M of being full of shit on the whole non-commercial thing. I trusted them and thought he was way off base, kind of like you do right now. Well, guess what...