okay....sorry if i was unclear....i just ain't a 2 martini at dinner kind of gal... i do think you know enough about copyright law to have addressed some of the issues that flew around all day, yesterday....especially, in the thread by Thip, where it was merely a question of 3rd party modellers using vicki or michael as a base. i don't think some of the issues revolving around the tailor and all its implications can be covered, as yet...this is such a grey area because it does transfer morphs...which are part of cr2s and dealt with in the daz license...but, the daz license does not cover anything on using a mesh as a base model, ONLY to create an entirely new mesh. i just think you could have said something about this, and calmed alot of the folks down.