3)Certain elements in the community, who's products don't met the Daz standards are now extrememly worried that Daz, who have said if it contains morphs from V2, M2 Mk, Stef etc, sell it thorugh us, will now be seen for what they really are: money hungry 3rd raters with no talent and only here to take your money. Geeze, this is harsh. Remember folks, the art is the only important thing, /not/ money or who owns what or who is trying to screw who. Well, at one time, creating a render was enough for me...but, then, i started to want to make it "mine"...so, i learned morphing....then, i did some texturing....and guess what....this finally lead to learning...painfully, may i add to model. i began to feel like more of a "true" cg artist, at that point...and, began doing less artistic creation in the rendering aspect...and, more modelling. it didn't much matter...i was learning something, and felt that, finally i could truly think in terms of making everything in my render by myself. then, i hit on a really cute combo of vicki's dials....and, i made a dress or two for it...and, saw some flaws, and dumped them...but, i persisted....i spent a helluva long time trying to figure out how to get a long skirt to conform...i can't say all this wasn't fun...it was/is...and, then, there is texturing for the little dresses/and stuff i made. i love zbrush....it does some really cool stuff....so, i set out to try and learn it for at least it's texturing functions...yup...fun, too. now, everything is just about ready....a tweak here, a tweek there, and the dreaded texturing...i thought i would sell this. i thought all that i made, and hassled with, and learned through my flops could finally pay off a bit. then here you come, struttin' in....and, implying that making meshes is not art, and, if i want to reap any rewards from months and months of trial and error...and..."no, this is STILL not good enough" I am GREEDY. i don't care how long you have been around. old timers can be wrong too. and, in my not so humble opinion....it is wrong to lump folks into any kind of group without knowing them a bit, first.