Bikermouse...amen! If they're going to do it, let them do it right. I'm also tempted to wait a bit after its release and see what folks are saying about it first before I put out my hard earned cash for it. If they're going to have to issue updates for bugs, I'd rather wait until they release a corrected version and not have to mess with downloading and installing updates like we did with P4. I never did buy ProPack. I figure P5 might have a lot of PP's functions, so I don't really need to put out for a separate program when it could be a part of Poser 5. At least, that's what I've heard people speculating. In the meantime, I'm just grateful for Poser 4. It came a long way from P3, inspite of the initial warts. Melanie